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Re: Post of typist -IMPORTANT!
Sri Roy, please follow the following order No. 6060-F dated 25.06.1979 Point numbers: 5(1)(b), 2 & 3, in those terms : whether the said Typist will confirmed his new post of L.D.C. after 1 (one) year/2 year or 3 year from the date of change of his cadre vide G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012? (The post said typist has already been confirmed in the post of basic grade Typist in the year 1997). Please provide your valuable suggestion in this regard. This is to be mentioned here- the candidate is myself. I did not get any promotional benefits other than two C.A.S.s. After 19 years of service my present G.P. only 3200/-.

@jmmisir,
Let’s check what W.B.S. (Appointment, Probation and Confirmation) Rules, 1979(G.O. No. 6060-F dated 25.06.1979) states –
5. Appointment on probation and appointment on permanent basis.
1) A Govt. employee:
a) Shall be deemed to be on probation on completion of continuous temporary service for two years after his initial appointment in a post of service or cadre;
b) Shall be confirmed and made permanent on satisfactory completion of the period of probation. Where passing of any departmental examination is essential before confirmation the provisions of Chapter – I of the services (Training and Examination) Rules, West Bengal, shall have to be compiled with.
2) Except as otherwise provided elsewhere in these rules, the period of probation shall be one year.
3) No formal declaration shall be necessary in respect of appointment on probation.
The aforesaid rules have been partially modified vide G.O.No. 5225-F dated 17.05.1995.Check the link below.https://wbxpress.com/confirmation-in-government-service/
What is seen from the G.O.s that the period of ‘temporary service’ in a cadre is two years. After the completion of the ‘temporary service of two (2) years, the ‘probation’ period will start. Where the ‘probation’ period has not been made specific by any rule, it will normally be one (1) year. Now after the completion of the ‘probation’ period i.e. a total of three (2+1) years of satisfactory service from the date of initial appointment in a post of a service or cadre, one can be declared as ‘confirmed’.
You will have to keep in mind that Typist cadre and Clerical are two different cadres because those belong to two completely different avenues having different job type and different promotional aspects. Since the cadre changes, one typist who has been transferred to the post of L.D.C., is required to be confirmed in the post of L.D.C. after completing three years of continuous and satisfactory service in the post of L.D.C. If you were continuing in the Typist cadre till your retirement, there was no need of any further confirmation. But sorry to say, as it will sound harsh, there is no other option for you else waiting to complete three years of continuous and satisfactory service in the post of L.D.C.
As regards change of cadre of an existing Typist to the L.D.C. in terms of G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012, I repeat, there is no such provision to convert an existing Typist to L.D.C. Only the vacant post/posts are to be converted. Since it’s your case, I would like to request you to get the matter clarified and to urge for rectification, if required to avoid further complications in the matter.

Thanks sir

Thanks Mr. Misir. It would be nicer if we don’t call each other ‘Sir’ in this open forum.
Regards,
Ray

My Appointing Authority viz District Registrar, Uttar Dinajpur has says to examine Point Number-5 of the following order-in response to your answers……..

Let’s check what point no. 5 of G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012 says-
(v) Existing promotional prospects of the employees holding such categories of posts shall remain unaltered. The posts of LDA/LDC so transferred from the cadre of the Typist/Typist-Clerk/Clerk-Typist shall not count towards creation of the post of UDA/UDC under 1:1 promotion policy till all such posts of Typist, Typist-Clerk etc. in different grades are exhausted.
“Existing promotional prospects of the employees holding such categories of posts shall remain unaltered….” – reveals that the existing Typist will be promoted to the post of Typist Grade-I on the availability of vacancy in the post of Typist Grade-I. Similarly on the availability of vacancy in the promotional post, Typist Grade -I will be promoted to the post of Supervisory Grade Typist and Supervisory Grade Typist to Senior Supervisory Grade Typist.
“….The posts of LDA/LDC so transferred from the cadre of the Typist/Typist-Clerk/Clerk-Typist…..” – reveals that the posts in the Typist cadre are to be converted in the manner as stipulated in para (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv).
“…..shall not count towards creation of the post of UDA/UDC under 1:1 promotion policy till all such posts of Typist, Typist-Clerk etc. in different grades are exhausted.” directs that following the increase in the post of LDA/LDC in such manner, similar number of posts of UDA/UDC will not be created pursuant to the existing 1:1 (LDC:UDC) till all such posts of Typist, Typist-Clerk etc. in different grades are exhausted.

G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012 states –
Point (ii)
Existing vacant basic grade post/posts of all such categories shall be converted to Lower Division Assistant or Lower Division Clerk, as the case may be with immediate effect.
Note – Only the vacant posts are to be converted. If the G.O. intended to convert ‘all Basic Posts’, it was needless to mention ‘vacant posts’.
Point (iii) –
Basic grade post/posts of any such categories as and when fall vacant by way of promotion or retirement or otherwise shall, forthwith be converted to the posts of Lower Division Assistant or Lower Division Clerk as the case may be.
Note – It has been clearly specified that the Basic Grade posts are to be converted as and when they ‘fall vacant’, not when a person is occupying the post.
Point (iv) –
After the basic grade post/posts of any such categories are exhausted, the next promotional post of such categories namely Typist Grade – I, Clerk-cum-Typist Grade – I etc. Of any nomenclature as and when fall vacant shall forthwith be converted to the post/posts of Lower Division Assistant or Lower Division Clerk as the case may be and similar action shall be taken in respect of second promotional post and then third promotional post and so on, if any.
The posts so converted as in (ii), (iii) & (iv) above shall be transferred to the respective cadres of LDA/LDC forthwith.
Note – When all Basic Grade posts are converted, the next promotional posts are to be converted but as and when ‘they fall vacant’.
To describe the manner of conversion/transfer, mention has been made only of the vacant posts.

Your last post has confused me to some extent –

My Appointing Authority viz District Registrar, Uttar Dinajpur has says to examine Point Number-5 of the following order-in response to your answers ……….
https://wbxpress.com/west-bengal-services-recruitment-to-clerical-cadre-rules/
https://wbxpress.com/amendment-in-west-bengal-services-recruitment-to-clerical-cadre-rules/

You have provided the links of W.B.S. Services Recruitment to Clerical Cadre Rules and its amendments i.e. Notification No. 7165-F(P),dated 1.07.2010 and No. 9145—F(P), Dated 9.11.2012 respectively.
But earlier you have mentioned that you have been transferred to the post of L.D.C. vide G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012.

Dear Members, please clarify if- …….. At present he has opted to change his cadre from Typist to L.D.C. as G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012. In the meantime, there are huge post of U.D.C. are lying vacant in the concerned district (Appointing authority is District Registrar). But the Government says the said typist (at present LDC) must wait for confirmation of his post in the new cadre of L.D.C.
Dear members, please clarify whether the said typist wait for 1 year or 3 years for his confirmation?

And the following reply was made-

At present he has opted to change his cadre from Typist to L.D.C. as G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012. In the meantime, there are huge post of U.D.C.

A great mess appears to have been done there. The G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012 does not at all set any provision for exercising of option by an existing Typist to change his cadre to L.D.C. The G.O. is all about converting the vacant posts in various tiers of the Typist cadre. If he has been appointed to the post of L.D.C. on the basis of this G.O., it has been done not in accordance with the rule and it appears that it will create a great problem for him.
If he is, however, appointed to the post of L.D.C. pursuant to West Bengal Services Recruitment to Clerical Cadre Rules ( vide G.O. 7165-F(P), Kolkata, the 1st July, 2010), he will have to wait 3 years from the date of appointment to the post of L.D.C. for confirmation. Thereafter, he may be promoted to the post of U.D.C.
There is no problem if you have been transferred to the post of L.D.C. vide G.O. No. 7165-F(P), dated 1.07.2010 i.e. West Bengal Services Recruitment to Clerical Cadre Rules read with G.O. No. 9145—F(P), Dated 9.11.2012, on being it applicable in this case.
But if you have been transferred to the post of L.D.C. vide G.O. No. 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012, as you said, it does not appear in the first instance, to be done in accordance to the directives in the G.O. ibid.
Firstly, you make yourself confirmed, pursuant to which Order you have been transferred. If it is 1583-F(P) dated 21.02.2012, I think there lies much scope for reconsideration. In that case, I would like to suggest you to request your appointing authority to move the matter to the Finance Department, Govt. of W.B. i.e. the authority competent to clarify the matter, if your appointing authority deems it necessary.

Mr. Misir,
It would be better if you provide some information –
1. Is the pay of a Basic Grade Typist is at par with that of an L.D.C. in your Office? To be specific, if one Basic Grade Typist is appointed today, what will be his Grade Pay?
2. What is the status of your Office according to the G.O. No. 7165-F(P), dated 1.07.2010. Apparently, it’s a District Office or Regional Office but I want to know if your Office enjoys some different status? As, some regional offices of few Directorates are considered part of the Directorate.